all about is that comprehensive understanding of a society and, frankly, libya's a fairly friendly environment. this will surprise people. i've been there twice in the last year or so and i have to stop libyans from hugging me on the street when i say i'm an american. >> right. chris stevens was very well known for being incredibly present around tripoli and benghazi, for going for morning runs, for going to parties and breakfasts and doing all of the things that you just talked about. >> he was doing all the right things and there's no way to reduce risks to somebody who's doing the right things to zero. >> that -- >> you can manage the risk. you cannot completely zero out the risk. and this is extremely important for people to understand. this is a great tragedy as vice president biden said, but its a a tragedy that will happen every once in a while because you can't have zero risk. >> i just think there's db obviously there's no perfect security but there's a difference. i agree, i'm not disagreeing. >> one of the things that got a little lost in the hearing about the security requests and